Today's (ill)-liberal values will not stop the Jihadists
From a thread on Townhall:
http://www.townhall.com/blog/default.aspx?mode=post&g=08065fad-63be-42ab-a369-0dc0441e812f&comments=true#4a9dc165-982d-4ac8-b39f-f4082e381f3e
muirgeo writes:
Thursday, December, 21, 2006 2:44 AM
Liberal values
What was present then and lacking now is moral certainty and a consensus around that moral certainty............They built a consensus around those certainties, and they were able to hold the war effort together through some very dark hours.Dean BarnettDean,There was NO moral certainty....there was NO consensus....If there were there would have been NO civil war.
PS Liberal values not Conservative Tory Loyalist won the Revolutionary War.
Liberal values not Conservative Confederate slave owners won the Civil War.
Liberal values won WW2 and the Cold war.
Liberals have the right ideas on winning the WOT as well, while the in charge conservatives are falling into every trap the Jihadist set.
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Ok. I will grant him that the current admin has made some big mistakes. But liberals know how to win the WOT?
My response:
Otter writes:
Thursday, December, 21, 2006 6:02 AM
muirgeo, the liberal values the Left
today make the (classical) liberal values of the 30s and 40s look like right-wing extremism.Today's illiberal values will get us all enslaved. Witness boxer, pelosi, conyers, kucinich. The first things going down the tubes are our Freedom of Speech (HR 288 I believe is the number, the pro-islam, protect-Jihadist legislation) and the ability to protect this country, thanks to the Kafka-esque oversight that is about to be imposed.
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Not that I expect most liberals to have a friggn' clue about what is actually going on in the world today.
And I've been up since 3am. Not going to be a fun day.
http://www.townhall.com/blog/default.aspx?mode=post&g=08065fad-63be-42ab-a369-0dc0441e812f&comments=true#4a9dc165-982d-4ac8-b39f-f4082e381f3e
muirgeo writes:
Thursday, December, 21, 2006 2:44 AM
Liberal values
What was present then and lacking now is moral certainty and a consensus around that moral certainty............They built a consensus around those certainties, and they were able to hold the war effort together through some very dark hours.Dean BarnettDean,There was NO moral certainty....there was NO consensus....If there were there would have been NO civil war.
PS Liberal values not Conservative Tory Loyalist won the Revolutionary War.
Liberal values not Conservative Confederate slave owners won the Civil War.
Liberal values won WW2 and the Cold war.
Liberals have the right ideas on winning the WOT as well, while the in charge conservatives are falling into every trap the Jihadist set.
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Ok. I will grant him that the current admin has made some big mistakes. But liberals know how to win the WOT?
My response:
Otter writes:
Thursday, December, 21, 2006 6:02 AM
muirgeo, the liberal values the Left
today make the (classical) liberal values of the 30s and 40s look like right-wing extremism.Today's illiberal values will get us all enslaved. Witness boxer, pelosi, conyers, kucinich. The first things going down the tubes are our Freedom of Speech (HR 288 I believe is the number, the pro-islam, protect-Jihadist legislation) and the ability to protect this country, thanks to the Kafka-esque oversight that is about to be imposed.
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Not that I expect most liberals to have a friggn' clue about what is actually going on in the world today.
And I've been up since 3am. Not going to be a fun day.
posted by Otter at 6:03 AM
1 Comments:
Well, if HR 288 passes, you'd better believe it I will end up in jail where I will become a radical against our government. No cheap-ass fucking bill turned to law is going to stop me from speaking my mind about Islam or Hajii.
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